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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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Deleted User 5/22/2018 5:43 PM
Oh I was just about to get back to that
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:43 PM
Thanks for the link...I work with Angels.
5:43 PM
Sweet!
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Deleted User 5/22/2018 5:43 PM
can you describe in a bit more detail what was going on
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:43 PM
Yes.
5:45 PM
After sometime my bros tulpas have become aware of their presence in their Creator's wonderland and have tried to escape. As they eventually learned that they can't leave the system. They have tried to break out, in order to enter a better world.
5:47 PM
Once they realized that this failed too. They became vicious towards their creator/host.
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Currently they are trying to recreate their wonderland all according to their will.
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Deleted User 5/22/2018 5:48 PM
well there’s no way they could replace the host forcefully
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:48 PM
As they all have differeent ideas of a world they are fighting each other.
5:48 PM
That is true.
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Deleted User 5/22/2018 5:48 PM
The best idea honestly is your friend trying to like, support them
5:48 PM
Like obviously they’re self aware that they’re tulpas
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:49 PM
And they are trying to win over their creator so at least one of them gets their desired woonderland
5:49 PM
Yes.
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Deleted User 5/22/2018 5:49 PM
Is it just fighting over the wonderland?
5:50 PM
That seems like it bares no threat (edited)
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:50 PM
Support them. That may be difficult yet the self awareness of their tulpas actions through cairaudiance is going to help.
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They can make different wonderland pockets, or realms, that each are designed to their own design. We've done similar connected by doors.
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:50 PM
Yeah its just fighting over their wonderland.
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Doors?
5:50 PM
ITs me.
5:51 PM
They aren't witches. And they don't harness mana.
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The wonderland doesn't need to follow a realistic space. You can have rooms that interconnect with other rooms, or weird spaces like the Dr Who time machine.
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:51 PM
They would have to learn mana and witch paths.
5:51 PM
That is what my wonderland was. When I told my tulpa about morality.
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You don't require any knowledge of witchcraft to do this.
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:52 PM
They had to be in seperate places so nobody would die.
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Well they should be able to expand and change those spaces themselves
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:52 PM
Strange. I've never seen a non magical tulpa create a seperate section.
5:52 PM
They should.
5:53 PM
And would senind my own tulpa help anybody here?
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If they could, they should be able to turn those spaces into whatever they want. Forests, Oceans, etc
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:54 PM
Right. They certianly are the creative types.
5:54 PM
Thanks. Ivy.
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No problem
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 5:55 PM
My icon is a commisson of Icakrus Vevetine.
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An alien that was close to me in life.
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the icon has been charged with my rememberences of him. So he is a tulpa now.
5:57 PM
I was created by my host as a companion, but have deviated myself to what I enjoy
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/22/2018 6:41 PM
Questions. Could I Enter The System If Support Fails? And.
6:44 PM
And could characters be tulpa? (edited)
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characters? like tulpas based off of fictional people?
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Hey @Deleted User, whats your interest in egregores/servitors?
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Oh
12:23 AM
Thanks for getting back to me @Андрей
12:24 AM
Basically, I wanted to discuss your thoughts on tulpas being the result of reality manipulation kind of similar to the practice of “positive visualization” - where your belief in something causes it to be a reality to you, more or less, and through memetics, other people believing it to be true as well.
12:25 AM
So, tulpaforcing being the result of putting your mind into such a suggestible/hypnotic state through meditation, and then subconsciously suggesting to yourself over the span of a long time that your tulpa is real and they exhibit A, B and C.
12:26 AM
And tulpas in an occult sense being egregores coupled with this almost hypnotically induced manipulation of reality.
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Андрей 5/23/2018 1:39 AM
Im still relatively new to the idea of thoughtforms being treated as they are in this community. The psychological model held here mostly ignores what we currently do not have the technology to measure, often dismissing it as delusion. The nice thing about tulpas is that it doesnt matter what your backround is so long as you have a solid understanding of the practice that produces one. I dont think being in a meditative state is necessary so long as you as you are capable of changing your beliefs at will. On egregores... To clarify, an egregore is a collective thoughtform, a personality held by a group independent of its members. A tulpa doesnt fit that description. However something like satan does. Not sure how far you want to go into this as the general perception here is that tulpas exist only in the brain. (edited)
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Holy fuck. I never thought of that satan analogy. Interesting...
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/23/2018 2:31 AM
Fictional people themselves being tulpas. @Brightful
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they can only be based off of those characters, i believe, but those aren't tulpas. they're soulbonds.... someone correct me if i'm wrong
2:37 AM
from my understanding, i'm pretty sure that's what it is, though
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In the metaphysical scope of things, they could be an egregore, though unlikely in the concept of normal characters
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/23/2018 2:48 AM
I've never heard of a soulbond before. (edited)
2:50 AM
Wouldn't the masses need to know who the character is for the character to be a egregor?
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Yes, and i'd think that simply knowing of the character isn't enough to be an egregore
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/23/2018 2:55 AM
That is true. I've sensed that what is out there causing trouble is some type of mental entity.
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and I've become close to a mental entity whose role is antagonist. Is it possible to exsist in his host realm?
2:58 AM
as stories go, the antagonists don't win unless its for shock..
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Admittedly this is making me realize that interaction with others reinforces the tulpa in more than one way - both in reinforcing the tulpa's self-loop in themself, and in others, adding if indirectly to the tulpa's definition/strength, ala egregore
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V∆L-H∆L8 5/24/2018 2:09 PM
YEah, I've noticed my tulpae and the tulpas of others have beenable to learn and develeop more of a ability to like. By learning from third dimensional Persons that aren't their Creator.
2:10 PM
What is a soulbound?
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From my understanding soulbonds are very much like tulpas, the main difference being that they are based on some character.
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Does anyone have a beginner's guide to metaphysics?
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:42 PM
Not any good ones <.<
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I see. Is there any that would at least allow me to understand the meaning of terminology that is common place in meta communities?
4:48 PM
If you do not have any good guides, how were you introduced to the subject?
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:57 PM
I had a mentor and learned through servers
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yeah, there's mentoring, lurking and consulting some authoritative guides/books here and there
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:57 PM
There isn't really anything good in terms of terminology either since it varies greatly per community
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if I'm to be completely honest it works a bit like this with meta https://xkcd.com/927/
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I am concerned with the comminity on here. CelestialBoon, can you send me a guide?
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:58 PM
The community on here is a pretty big mesh of different meta communities
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okay hm, a guide on what precisely? because I can't just give you a book on say, science
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On metaphysics.
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:59 PM
🤦
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And yes, you can give guides/books on what science is.
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 4:59 PM
Astral dynamics attempts to do what you are asking for
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 5:01 PM
There are things that take a more mystical approach as well
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How about a guide on the metaphysical views to tulpamancy?
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hmmmm let's see, there may be books around that try and give a single view of the whole thing but I honestly haven't consulted them. The way it works for most of us is, you start with the basics (ie. meditation and energy work) and then you kinda, branch out to whatever you like, asking people on the way (or having a mentor) and consulting what books are there on the particular subject. It works out because it's supposed to guide your personal experience anyway and that comes with time and practice
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Does narrowing it in this way help you?
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okay I think I can find something of the sort
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No. I do not believe in this and will not be attempting to practice it. I want to learn about it.
5:04 PM
I believe to have a discussion about it, understanding the base claims of the other side is important.
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 5:06 PM
This isn't a great debate though
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Most of us don't care if you believe or not, we will answer questions, but really all we ask for is respect and not ridicule.
5:08 PM
Not for even mass belief in our practices
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I do not want to ridicule anyone. I do not think that is a healthy way to see discussion.
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Albino Elephant 5/24/2018 5:11 PM
You said "the other side"
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Like it is only possible that one of us is right and the other is wrong
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Which immediately turns it into a debate
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Which then involves ridicule even if not intended to
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Yes. I believe that there is one truth that aligns with reality. I understand that people with different views think that they do align with reality, and I do think mine align with reality. I do not think we are both correct. If you, in particular are not interested in discussion, that is fine. I am not asking you to be.
5:14 PM
It is not ridicule to disagree on something, and want to discuss it, though.
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